(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2015 US Masters (Tong 4p vs Cho 7d)]PW[Beomgeun Cho]PB[Yulin Tong]WR[7d]BR[4p]DT[2015-08-07]EV[2015 US Masters]RO[8]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Bart Jacob]C[USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 8th Round of the US Masters Go Tournament at the US Go Congress in St. Paul, Minnesota.
USGO2 [-\]: The time settings are 90 minutes base time with five 30 second byo yomi periods.
USGO2 [-\]: This is board 2: 
USGO2 [-\]: Cho, Beomgeun (7D)- White
USGO2 [-\]: Tong, Yulin (4P) - Black
USGO2 [-\]: This is Bart Jacob, your game recorder this evening.
USGO2 [-\]: Chat will be disabled until the game starts at approximately 7PM CDT
USGO2 [-\]: The players are starting to gether
USGO2 [-\]: gather
USGO2 [-\]: The playerds have arrived at the table
]RE[B+2.50]
;B[qd]C[USGO2 [-\]: and we are underway
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;W[dp]
;B[cd]
;W[pp]
;B[oc]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]
;B[dc]
;W[gd]
;B[cf]
;W[kc]C[bongo [2k\]: hi, bart Simp
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;B[fq]C[USGO2 [-\]: :-)
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;W[hq]C[USGO2 [-\]: This is the first meeting between these players
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;B[kq]C[USGO2 [-\]: It is Mr. Tong's first trip to the US
USGO2 [-\]: Mr. Cho is from Los Angeles
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;W[nq]
;B[fo]C[rsun [4d\]: how come w is in trouble already
rsun [4d\]: although when I played a 9p I was already in trouble at move 5
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;W[dr]C[mickeyruts [9k\]: I've personally met White. I was in a go club where he lectured.
maciek [2d\]: if u think u are in troubles at 5 move u should work on your positive thinking
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;B[ip]C[flobby [-\]: is d2 normal?
maciek [2d\]: nah...d2 crazy!@#$
rsun [4d\]: no, he made a weird approach early and I misread
maciek [2d\]: wicked move
flobby [-\]: i mean normally you'd d6 right? I've never seen d2
flobby [-\]: what's the benefit of d2?
maciek [2d\]: right side looks like super big move
rsun [4d\]: d2 says, let me crawl on the 2nd line
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;W[cn]C[rsun [4d\]: so I can connect h3
maciek [2d\]: r10 must be bigger
maciek [2d\]: white should just play c6
maciek [2d\]: let black built a group and jump to r10
Demon [2d\]: didn't Beomgeun Cho used to play on KGS as Gentlerain?
maciek [2d\]: yeah i am teaching 7d how to play
maciek [2d\]: see? its positive thinking
maciek [2d\]: if not r10 i stop playing go
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;B[qj]C[wurfmaul [1d\]: senseis.xmp.net says gentlerain was (is?) Bi Jang
maciek [2d\]: phew....
flobby [-\]: wow nice guess maciek
maciek [2d\]: :D
maciek [2d\]:  he only ne move, eall
maciek [2d\]: ealy
EdIV [1k\]: B+
maciek [2d\]: really
flobby [-\]: i had no idea what b would play. you are really good at fuseki i guess
maciek [2d\]: haha
maciek [2d\]: cmon u kidding right?
maciek [2d\]: its aan extension from shimari for both
Demon [2d\]: ah right, Bi Jang, thanks wurfmaul.  It's just been so long I forgot  :P
maciek [2d\]: a move better than the best
rsun [4d\]: w does not have a good move now
maciek [2d\]: probably r5
maciek [2d\]: but
maciek [2d\]: invade
maciek [2d\]: i dont know
rsun [4d\]: r5 says, let's start yose at move 50
maciek [2d\]: thats why d2 must be bad
maciek [2d\]: should bec6 d2 c3 j4 r10 
rsun [4d\]: d2 w will pull out h3
flobby [-\]: would w do some probe thing top right?
maciek [2d\]: so h3 not d2
mickeyruts [9k\]: p10?
maciek [2d\]: so its even more clear d2 wasnt a must
maciek [2d\]: so w c6 j4 r10 
maciek [2d\]: r10 could be white!
maciek [2d\]: GAMAE OVER
maciek [2d\]: see u :)
rsun [4d\]: too early to say game over
maciek [2d\]: ok so good night
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;W[fr]
;B[eq]C[rsun [4d\]: f2 is yose move
USGO2 [-\]: W has the left the table briefly
flobby [-\]: so rsun you like b right now?
rsun [4d\]: yes
USGO2 [-\]: and he returns
]
;W[er]
;B[gq]C[rsun [4d\]: # 2nd line stones: 4-1
rsun [4d\]: 4-0*
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;W[gr]
;B[hp]
;W[iq]
;B[jp]
;W[qo]
;B[qm]C[a1328 [3k\]: very solid on b?
a1328 [3k\]: but i m not sure what till end
USGO2 [-\]: we are about 30 minutes into the game...B has used about 7 minues
USGO2 [-\]: minutes
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;W[rd]C[esrig [7k\]: oh wait ... I'm just noticing that b is 3 stones stronger
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;B[qe]C[flobby [-\]: hey rsun, do you know how to decide the timing of s16?
Demon [2d\]: 4p is not 3 stones stronger than 7d...
Burton [6k\]: what time will the pro commentary begin??
esrig [7k\]: I really am not paying very close attention ...
USGO2 [-\]: I am not sure... I am guessing around 8:00PM CDT
Burton [6k\]: USGO2 about what time will the pro commentary begin??
Burton [6k\]: ohh
Burton [6k\]: thanks
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;W[oi]
;B[oj]C[USGO2 [-\]: you're welcome
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;W[pi]
;B[pj]
;W[ni]C[rsun [4d\]: timing of s16: play it first before you decide how to invade or reduce
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;B[qi]
;W[nj]C[rsun [4d\]: this used to be quite standard because r17 q17 r18 makes life
rsun [4d\]: and w has already reduced b's framework; however, recently people discovered r17 s18 
flobby [-\]: does w die?
flobby [-\]: or does it depend on outside
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;B[je]C[rsun [4d\]: w cannot live locally
rsun [4d\]: it will be a fight
flobby [-\]: ok thx rsun
rsun [4d\]: but if you read old books, the current situation is very good for w, because he can snatch the corner any time, and b doesn't have much left
rsun [4d\]: it's like w got both territory and influence
flobby [-\]: so you prefer w now?
rsun [4d\]: no, like I said r17 doesn't work that simple
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;W[ic]C[rsun [4d\]: old books = outdated books
flobby [-\]: so assuming w lives clean, you prefer w?
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;B[pr]C[flobby [-\]: feels like its already yose
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;W[pq]
;B[nk]C[USGO2 [-\]: coming up on 45 minutes into the game... B has used about 12 minutes
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;W[mk]
;B[mj]
;W[lh]
;B[lj]
;W[nl]
;B[ok]
;W[ng]
;B[ji]C[USGO2 [-\]: B has left the table for a short break
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;W[nd]C[USGO2 [-\]: While we have a break...thanks again t everyone for following us on KGS.
USGO2 [-\]: This is the 8th Round of the US Masters Go Tournament at the US Go Congress in St. Paul, Minnesota.
USGO2 [-\]: The final round will be at 9:00 AM CDT tomorrow (Saturday).
MilanMilan [9d\]: would u mind to show us the score list?
USGO2 [-\]: ...and B returns to the board
MilanMilan [9d\]: thx
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;B[od]C[USGO2 [-\]: I am sure it is on the usgo.org web site...but I do no thave access to it right now
flobby [-\]: wow milanmilan is interested
flobby [-\]: it's here: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/173
USGO2 [-\]: thank you flobby
MilanMilan [9d\]: :)
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;W[mn]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: thanks a lot
MilanMilan [9d\]: I know them personally
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;B[or]
;W[qr]
;B[rr]
;W[nr]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: Is andy liu bbw on kgs?
Demon [2d\]: yes
MilanMilan [9d\]: Cao youyin is a female pro
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;B[qq]
;W[rq]
;B[qs]
;W[rp]
;B[no]C[USGO2 [-\]: About 65 minutes in to the game...B has used 20 minutes
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;W[np]
;B[mo]C[Higanbana [?\]: is o2 likely to die?
flobby [-\]: p2 is more likely to die imo
flobby [-\]: i mean if o2 dies its practically game over
Higanbana [?\]: hmm yea
ilium [3k\]: p2 has no eyes
flobby [-\]: p6?
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;W[nn]
;B[oo]
;W[pn]
;B[on]
;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[ol]
;B[ml]
;W[pl]
;B[nm]C[buu [?\]: In the beginning  game super goof fot evan 
TyTaLuS [1k\]: now reduce_
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;W[rk]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: ?
LATE [1k\]: n7?
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;B[lr]C[Higanbana [?\]: why not n8 at q8?
TyTaLuS [1k\]: dont see how you can tenuki this
flobby [-\]: tenuki which?
esrig [7k\]: isn't w safe in the corner ... 
TyTaLuS [1k\]: m2
flobby [-\]: i guess he's trying to think of the best way to answer or maybe even get sente
ilium [3k\]: b o1 threatens
ilium [3k\]: to live
TyTaLuS [1k\]: he is safe but b can live if w tenukis and even if its gote seems like its a lot of points
esrig [7k\]: ah, thx
psysov8 [1k\]: perhaps e7 is bigger
flobby [-\]: i mean if w just o1 b d7
LATE [1k\]: n16 looks instrumental.
flobby [-\]: b huge moyo
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;W[mr]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: d7?
flobby [-\]: as an example
LATE [1k\]: i'd prefer e7
TyTaLuS [1k\]: e7 more safe i guess
flobby [-\]: i'm not sure if w can do stuff around m4 though
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;B[dm]C[flobby [-\]: yay d7
LATE [1k\]: :O
flobby [-\]: the reason is e7 doesn't put any pressure on white
flobby [-\]: so its not as good
flobby [-\]: moves need to be multi purpose to be productive, LATE
TyTaLuS [1k\]: now it seems like black is ahead
LATE [1k\]: flobby, d7 is the reason this game shall end in W+resign
a1328 [3k\]: R3 corner some big at the moment
LATE [1k\]: k13 for w now
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;W[dn]
;B[em]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: lol late
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;W[cm]C[flobby [-\]: see if you played e7 first there's no way white will answer d6
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;B[dk]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: seems like you are kbitzing a little bit beyond your rank ÑD
a1328 [3k\]: making center huge?
flobby [-\]: I think w has about 60 points
flobby [-\]: including komi
LATE [1k\]: at least 75
flobby [-\]: so b needs about 30 something points in the center i think
a1328 [3k\]: what aboutG11?
flobby [-\]: i'm not sure if b k13 is sente
flobby [-\]: if it is then b can try to swallow g11
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;W[cl]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: that center needs to be reduced but w has to play c8
LATE [1k\]: f15
TyTaLuS [1k\]: otherwise black gets a ridiculous left side
flobby [-\]: i guess b also has more cutting points like this
TyTaLuS [1k\]: b could block here
flobby [-\]: c9?
TyTaLuS [1k\]: i like f15 to
LATE [1k\]: c9 is LATE.
flobby [-\]: I would be afraid of the cut at e9 would help w invade
TyTaLuS [1k\]: yea i think that to
TyTaLuS [1k\]: but black is pretty strong all around
USGO2 [-\]: W has left the room temporarily
LATE [1k\]: n16 first
LATE [1k\]: r8 also huge
flobby [-\]: does r8 work?
LATE [1k\]: no, just sente yose
USGO2 [-\]: and W returns... after stopping at another board to check the status of that game
TyTaLuS [1k\]: dont see how
shayn [1d\]: if b gets centre,will he win game?
LATE [1k\]: and prevents r13
flobby [-\]: depends on how much of course shayn
flobby [-\]: but i think its a easier game for b
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;B[jg]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: wow
TyTaLuS [1k\]: very strong
TyTaLuS [1k\]: we shoulda seen that one
flobby [-\]: we kind of did
TyTaLuS [1k\]: but a while ago
LATE [1k\]: i said k13 5 moves ago.
flobby [-\]: LATE suggested it and then I said k13 could be a good response to g11 if it's sente
rsun [4d\]: b+20?
flobby [-\]: so its still a good move if its sente to expand moyo
TyTaLuS [1k\]: seems like it puts a lot of pressure on white stones
LATE [1k\]: r13
rsun [4d\]: we can assume it's territory
USGO2 [-\]: ...and now B is up and looking at other ganes for a few minutes
MilanMilan [9d\]: b+
flobby [-\]: assume whats territory rsun?
rsun [4d\]: w has no time to invade
USGO2 [-\]: games
rsun [4d\]: b center
rsun [4d\]: so it's not moyo
flobby [-\]: but how much in the center? 30 pts? 40 pts?
flobby [-\]: that's the question
rsun [4d\]: we can safely draw a line from d9 to k11
LATE [1k\]: 50
rsun [4d\]: that is a conservative estimate
LATE [1k\]: rsun, we are always conservative. the generous one always are.
rsun [4d\]: it is also very likely that b will get both f15 and c9
flobby [-\]: but w is not going to be that generous
rsun [4d\]: w has to take care of o13 now
TyTaLuS [1k\]: seems like losing n9 and n6 was to much since they dont seem to add much aji to black
MilanMilan [9d\]: r12 
flobby [-\]: if w lose either way i think w will try to complicate things at some point and not let black take so much sente
LATE [1k\]: r13 is better than r12
MilanMilan [9d\]: aiming onm9 
TyTaLuS [1k\]: will m9 ever work_
TyTaLuS [1k\]: ?
rsun [4d\]: yes
rsun [4d\]: probably semedori
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;W[qh]C[LATE [1k\]: sad, everyone missed r13.
rsun [4d\]: r13 is empty
LATE [1k\]: s16 can be manipulated you know
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;B[rh]C[flobby [-\]: double hane?
rsun [4d\]: can w s13, that is the question
LATE [1k\]: that is not.
rsun [4d\]: I think w can
flobby [-\]: maybe m9 first?
LATE [1k\]: flobby i think you are 8d.
flobby [-\]: nooo, I didn't see r13 :(
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;W[ih]
;B[jh]
;W[kf]C[rsun [4d\]: b wins gomoku
NightWing [1k\]: j13 or h13 as alternative answers?
LATE [1k\]: c9 now
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;B[qg]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: ohhh
akbnm: ?
psysov8 [1k\]: does that kill s16?
TyTaLuS [1k\]: this makes s16 kind of bad right_
akbnm: I think r13 small
NightWing [1k\]: blacks removing his weaknesses
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;W[jf]C[flobby [-\]: but now w will take sente
akbnm: k14 so big
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;B[ig]C[NightWing [1k\]: not realy
akbnm: w get thick shape
nanotech [2k\]: hardly, b just needs to keep his few points advantage....
gloomy [3d\]: is it?
NightWing [1k\]: is white going to invade now
flobby [-\]: well it does look kind of gloomy for w
TyTaLuS [1k\]: i think b is ahead by more than a few points
flobby [-\]: but i think if w doesn't invade it'll be too late
gloomy [3d\]: b center is gigantic
TyTaLuS [1k\]: unless a few is like 20
LATE [1k\]: flobby, are you trying to do some name puns now?
gloomy [3d\]: e14 is the next move for w 
LATE [1k\]: did anyone notice that c9 is of a worth of 15 points?
TyTaLuS [1k\]: cant see an invade that works right now
peakoil [1d\]: is there commentary video?
TyTaLuS [1k\]: the thing is w dosent want c9 either
TyTaLuS [1k\]: or at least not that much since
TyTaLuS [1k\]: it makes b center even bigger
TyTaLuS [1k\]: w only gets 3 line
gloomy [3d\]: e14 pls
flobby [-\]: f10 final answer
peakoil [1d\]: e10 maybe
gloomy [3d\]: e10? are you serious?
roy [4k\]: w f13
peakoil [1d\]: 1d serious!
LATE [1k\]: e14 is round the most irrelevant territories on the board.
flobby [-\]: i mean d10 looks kind of possible lol
LATE [1k\]: e10 is not any less non-sense than e14.
LATE [1k\]: just go for c10!
USGO2 [-\]: W has 10 minutes of maintime left
USGO2 [-\]: B still has 55 minutes
gloomy [3d\]: late , i dont think u know too much about the game of go
peakoil [1d\]: c10 and b plays on top, getting even more center. w needs to invade.
peakoil [1d\]: but f13 not far enough.
peakoil [1d\]: e10 probe first
LATE [1k\]: gloomy, knowing too much about anything won't make you an expert.
gloomy [3d\]: i was just being extremely polite 
peakoil [1d\]: g12 maybe/
LATE [1k\]: why not d11?
peakoil [1d\]: g11 e11
peakoil [1d\]: I mean d11 e11
gloomy [3d\]: w has infinitee time left?
TyTaLuS [1k\]: im always suprised of how thick the pro moves are
TyTaLuS [1k\]: seems like they just dont make bad shape
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;W[fj]C[peakoil [1d\]: yaf flobby!
akbnm: c9?
gloomy [3d\]: it is not always true , ty
spacetime [3d\]: who, that's deEP
TyTaLuS [1k\]: now w dies and resigns ÑD
LATE [1k\]: e10
gloomy [3d\]: this looks super overplay lol
peakoil [1d\]: e11 now?
LATE [1k\]: gloomy, you know too much about the game of go.
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;B[fk]C[TyTaLuS [1k\]: that move is suprising
peakoil [1d\]: whoah didn't expect f9
TyTaLuS [1k\]: breaks the rule of dont contact week stones
akbnm: ...
flobby [-\]: hehe my final answer!
gloomy [3d\]: ya i know but its not always good to know too much about something , u lose ur innocence
]
;W[ej]
;B[ek]C[LATE [1k\]: f12
LATE [1k\]: f13*
akbnm: b centor about 45?
]
;W[de]C[flobby [-\]: i can't count that much
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;B[fe]C[LATE [1k\]: i don't know how people don't notice, but w has enough
flobby [-\]: i count less than 40 actually
flobby [-\]: assuming f10 lives and b gets no compensation attacking it
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;W[fd]C[akbnm: any way hurry g10
]
;B[ce]C[flobby [-\]: is w brave enough to h10?
]
;W[if]
;B[gg]C[peakoil [1d\]: whoah again!
LATE [1k\]: is w a pro?
peakoil [1d\]: j14?
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;W[eg]C[USGO2 [-\]: no..W is not pro
Dalan [2d\]: w is not a pro, but he was a Korean insei in the past.
LATE [1k\]: an even game with a pro?!
akbnm: hm
Higanbana [?\]: korean insei is practically pro strength compared to other leagues though isn't it?
peakoil [1d\]: it's an open tournament late
Dalan [2d\]: and many of the pros have not been doing so well.
Dalan [2d\]: they are losing to mark/ chen wang
Dalan [2d\]: who are both amatuers
Dalan [2d\]: but very strong
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;B[gj]C[LATE [1k\]: thanks for the info, Dalan.
akbnm: center b 50
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;W[nc]C[LATE [1k\]: i knew o17 was about to happen :)
LATE [1k\]: now s16 has been put to use!
flobby [-\]: suddenly w territory a lot bigger than the original 60
akbnm: c9
]
;B[hf]C[flobby [-\]: probably about 65-70 now
flobby [-\]: including komi
LATE [1k\]: flobby, i said 75
NightWing [1k\]: is there something in the top right corner for white
akbnm: b10
LATE [1k\]: r17?
flobby [-\]: well r17 s18 i learned that from rsun
flobby [-\]: but i don't know the rest of the continuation
peakoil [1d\]: n w has to protect for d14
soju [8k\]: top right can turn into a useful ko
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;W[ob]C[York [9d?\]: how is a ko?
]
;B[pb]C[soju [8k\]: i think
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;W[nb]C[York [9d?\]: i read this hane is rather sente-ish
NightWing [1k\]: white just went for sente endgame
]
;B[he]C[akbnm: w deffenced o15
flobby [-\]: now there's nothing for w in corner for sure if b responded
NightWing [1k\]: he must feel comfortable about his points
flobby [-\]: well even if he wasn't its not like there are many other options nightwing
LATE [1k\]: q19
USGO2 [-\]: W is now in Byo yomi
gloomy [3d\]: why b not doing d14?
NightWing [1k\]: blacks looking at d14
flobby [-\]: c13ish
]
;W[qb]C[USGO2 [-\]: B has 50 minutes main time left
NightWing [1k\]: if b d14 white will probably just take c10
nanotech [2k\]: can he byo yomi himself at the end.....
]
;B[pa]
;W[qc]C[Demon [2d\]: b confidant he wins the ko?
]
;B[pc]C[soju [8k\]: ko 
flobby [-\]: well he's confident he'll get something in exchange if he doesn't win
soju [8k\]: I said it
flobby [-\]: i'd imagine
LATE [1k\]: how is it ko?
]
;W[sb]C[Demon [2d\]: lol  :P
flobby [-\]: i don't know, i assumed 2d read it out
]
;B[ra]C[York [9d?\]: hmm
York [9d?\]: w's blunder?
York [9d?\]: r19: T16
akbnm: ...
LATE [1k\]: York, are you really 9d?
York [9d?\]: no
flobby [-\]: york is 7d
LATE [1k\]: o
LATE [1k\]: still very nice.
York [9d?\]: some sort of distorted rank by the system
]
;W[ie]
;B[rj]C[Demon [2d\]: w gave up points in corner, how sad
akbnm: ???
]
;W[ql]C[flobby [-\]: wait, is there a reason b can't cut b14?
York [9d?\]: hmm i don't think a 7d should make a mistake like this. but i cant see any aji for this either
peakoil [1d\]: d14 now?
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;B[hd]C[LATE [1k\]: w is stronger
]
;W[gb]C[psysov8 [1k\]: why doesn't b cut the e13 stone?
flobby [-\]: well yulin tong made a low level mistake against mark lee the other day so you never know
LATE [1k\]: wow g18
gloomy [3d\]: w e19 , alive , what r they doing
bluejay [2k\]: d14 cut?
gloomy [3d\]: r19*
NightWing [1k\]: r19 then b t16
peakoil [1d\]: r19 t16 says 7d 9d?
gloomy [3d\]: t16?? , then s15 
]
;B[ck]C[LATE [1k\]: i don't doubt York.
NightWing [1k\]: then s14
gloomy [3d\]: then t17!
]
;W[fg]C[NightWing [1k\]: s18
LATE [1k\]: guys come on, g18 was a great move
Demon [2d\]: when a 1k delivers the counter play for a 3d  <.<
flobby [-\]: demon wonders why he's still 2d
Demon [2d\]: i wonder why i'm not 1k yet
bluejay [2k\]: S19 p move
LATE [1k\]: Demon, have a few games with me and you will be :P
Demon [2d\]: ok  :)
]
;B[fi]C[LATE [1k\]: hehe <3
NightWing [1k\]: top right is a really common problem 
flobby [-\]: but wasn't d14 cut
flobby [-\]: bigger than this?
NightWing [1k\]: at least he has a lot of ko threats there
]
;W[fh]C[peakoil [1d\]: top right beginner life and death. everyone sees t16 kill
]
;B[gi]C[LATE [1k\]: w's courage is something.
]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]C[gloomy [3d\]: mabe i have to buy a new pair of glasses
psysov8 [1k\]: that's true I would have resigned ages ago
]
;W[gf]
;B[hg]
;W[eb]C[flobby [-\]: nah, w isn't really behind by much if this was a 1k vs 1k game
]
;B[db]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[ea]
;B[dh]C[flobby [-\]: wow d12 looks huge
]
;W[dg]C[psysov8 [1k\]: k13 was pretty much the end of the road
peakoil [1d\]: $10 b plays c13
flobby [-\]: and then he b18s on you
dragonslay [-\]: B 80 w 81.5
]
;B[cg]C[flobby [-\]: you think w ahead?
akbnm: really?
gloomy [3d\]: the game is actually looking close , what if w didnt add a lot of points for b with r18?
xgw10 [2k\]: b better
]
;W[bk]
;B[hc]C[dragonslay [-\]: He is slightly ahead
]
;W[hb]
;B[bj]C[NightWing [1k\]: I hope white wins
]
;W[cb]C[soju [8k\]: why
NightWing [1k\]: it will be a cool final round
RedDeath13 [3k\]: Dumb question, but could someone explain the killing sequence of r19 t16? It looks like if white plays s15 after t16, he lives.
flobby [-\]: i get very different numbers than dragonslay =/
flobby [-\]: but i'm super bad at counting so i don't trust my numbers
gloomy [3d\]: i dont care who wins , its not my game 
bluejay [2k\]: corner or side?
flobby [-\]: s15 s14 nightwing is an expert in that corner
]
;B[ne]C[dragonslay [-\]: I am rather good at counting
dragonslay [-\]: But this exchange was better for white
flobby [-\]: i got something like 90 for b and like 85 for w (including komi)
]
;W[pf]C[gloomy [3d\]: i have the feeling that b is gonna win this game by about 6.5
USGO2 [-\]: w has 3 byo yomi periods left
flobby [-\]: how much time does b have?
bluejay [2k\]: b > 10
USGO2 [-\]: 42 minutes main
RedDeath13 [3k\]: if black did s14, white t17 and the double atari doesn't work.
flobby [-\]: lol so he barely used half the time
flobby [-\]: b s18 then t15 and s17 miai i think
RedDeath13 [3k\]: wait, never mind that
flobby [-\]: i dunno though
gloomy [3d\]: q14 is a pesky move
flobby [-\]: have to r14?
bluejay [2k\]: r14
psysov8 [1k\]: good question reddeath. i don't see it either
peakoil [1d\]: $10 on r14
CrabStone [1d\]: S15
flobby [-\]: i mean i could see something like q12 delaying r14 but
flobby [-\]: it doesn't really help
gamego [19k?\]: P14
]
;B[qf]C[flobby [-\]: p14 s14 is really hard for b to answer
bluejay [2k\]: 15$?
gloomy [3d\]: q14
gloomy [3d\]: o14
]
;W[oe]
;B[of]C[gamego [19k?\]: q16
dragonslay [-\]: Geez
]
;W[me]C[dragonslay [-\]: Timesuji I hope
NightWing [1k\]: white just wants n15 in sente
gloomy [3d\]: wht is the purpose of p15?
peakoil [1d\]: to make n15 look more sente than it really is
gloomy [3d\]: hmm sente?
psysov8 [1k\]: w finishes his territory in sente
NightWing [1k\]: if w just plays n15 b probably wont answer
peakoil [1d\]: still might not answer
NightWing [1k\]: maybe but now its more heavy
NightWing [1k\]: so white can get more out of a capture
NightWing [1k\]: later
]
;B[nf]
;W[mf]
;B[og]C[gloomy [3d\]: b8
gloomy [3d\]: is 
]
;W[oh]
;B[pe]C[gloomy [3d\]: the sente he was wishing for
]
;W[bc]C[gloomy [3d\]: oh , myabe not
]
;B[bd]
;W[bl]
;B[cc]C[gamego [19k?\]: J7 ?
spacetime [3d\]: who won on board 1?hey, 
NightWing [1k\]: wang chen won
]
;W[ba]
;B[ac]C[peakoil [1d\]: J7 lonely gamego
gloomy [3d\]: ko?
peakoil [1d\]: not enough room to live in there
]
;W[ab]
;B[bb]C[flobby [-\]: live were?
flobby [-\]: where*
gloomy [3d\]: r8
]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[bc]C[gloomy [3d\]: r18*
]
;B[id]
;W[jd]
;B[bb]C[psysov8 [1k\]: this ko seems small
]
;W[en]C[peakoil [1d\]: whoah
]
;B[fn]
;W[bc]
;B[dq]C[dragonslay [-\]: What?!
]
;W[cq]
;B[bb]C[peakoil [1d\]: I thought something was wrong
psysov8 [1k\]: w's potential gain was only 3 points
]
;W[qa]
;B[sd]
;W[bc]
;B[ad]C[flobby [-\]: b j18 not big enough?
soju [8k\]: see.  pae kum
]
;W[aj]C[gloomy [3d\]: w needs every single point to narrow the gap
]
;B[bi]C[flobby [-\]: according to dragonslay w winning
]
;W[ge]C[spacetime [3d\]: what did myungwan think of the game?
]
;B[df]C[dragonslay [-\]: I would need to recount to much has happened
]
;W[ef]C[flobby [-\]: but mostly good for w no
flobby [-\]: ?
dragonslay [-\]: I wouldn't say so
dragonslay [-\]: That KO was not good
]
;B[ai]C[dragonslay [-\]: Top right I think he gave up about two
dragonslay [-\]: Then on a bad threat about 3
soju [8k\]: not good for b
]
;W[eh]
;B[ei]C[dragonslay [-\]: So should be losing by like 4.5
Beauford [3k\]: why doesn't S15 live?
flobby [-\]: b18 still looks kinda big
RedDeath13 [3k\]: s18 kills it again
]
;W[li]C[JONstewart [2d\]: It's been like B+4-8 for a while, its just endgame. I think its over for W
NightWing [1k\]: I think white will win...
NYNY [2d\]: black wins
JONstewart [2d\]: almost caluclatable, i think 4
]
;B[ki]C[Beauford [3k\]: oh because S15 T14 S15 and S17 is double atari
]
;W[lk]
;B[kj]C[gloomy [3d\]: i said 6.5 , 50 moves ago only with feelings
NightWing [1k\]: can white play m3
dragonslay [-\]: M3 very big
flobby [-\]: you can't play s15 twice
JONstewart [2d\]: the black center was developed so nicely after D7
]
;W[ph]C[Beauford [3k\]: oh
gloomy [3d\]: n10
Beauford [3k\]: sorry S15 T14 T15 then S17
gloomy [3d\]: n11*
]
;B[mi]
;W[mh]
;B[jr]C[dragonslay [-\]: Victory is secure now...
JONstewart [2d\]: professional endgame is so pretty
flobby [-\]: victory for?
dragonslay [-\]: Black
JONstewart [2d\]: B definitly played nice endgame, B+6
USGO2 [-\]: w is in last byoyomi
shoot [1k\]: but if t14 w s14
dragonslay [-\]: Blacks endgame demolished whites
]
;W[nh]
;B[mp]
;W[pg]C[gloomy [3d\]: m1!
]
;B[oe]C[peakoil [1d\]: n4 bigger than q13
dragonslay [-\]: B18 big
]
;W[sj]C[dragonslay [-\]: Ignore
hirakawade [1d\]: Sure !
]
;B[si]C[NightWing [1k\]: ya seems like black wins...
JONstewart [2d\]: after Black D7, the game was very straightforward and flawless from B
PinotNoir [1d\]: well done for the amatuer
]
;W[sk]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: not easy to hold pro to this stage...
akbnm: b less 6 pt
]
;B[bb]C[dragonslay [-\]: Who is the a mature?
flobby [-\]: cho
peakoil [1d\]: w
PinotNoir [1d\]: look like a small win for the pro
]
;W[ch]
;B[di]
;W[bc]C[gloomy [3d\]: i m mature
JONstewart [2d\]: in high level go, winning by 1 is lucky, winning by 2 is skill and by 3 or more was a crushing !
dragonslay [-\]: I agree with JON
]
;B[ir]
;W[hr]
;B[bb]
;W[ll]C[RedDeath13 [3k\]: does s15 still not work? It looks like could live by threatening the black group of q18.
]
;B[mm]C[JONstewart [2d\]: although short clock times make it crazier for sure
hirakawade [1d\]: R9 is a good ko-thread later for W.
]
;W[bc]
;B[kg]C[dragonslay [-\]: Didn't they have 2 hours main time?
JONstewart [2d\]: s15:  s15 s14 t15 s17 
JONstewart [2d\]: white still cannot
]
;W[lg]
;B[bb]C[flobby [-\]: 90 mins it says
dragonslay [-\]: Aw dang that is short
turtleboy [7k?\]: The layout of this match looks really cool
]
;W[ls]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: for amatuer tournament, 90 min is alot
BOThater36 [4d\]: use to be 120 min
RedDeath13 [3k\]: JON, t17 instead of t15
dragonslay [-\]: I would say anything over Dan level you need 2 hours main
Demon [2d\]: then s18, s17, t15
Demon [2d\]: ^ for RedDeath
dragonslay [-\]: L1
JONstewart [2d\]: 90 seems normal for amatuer, 60-90, but these guys can play quick or very long, amaturs don't get better with 8 h thinking time and we get worse under blitz. So ama's are best at 60 - 90 min for quality of games
PinotNoir [1d\]: fully agree
RedDeath13 [3k\]: ahhh thanks, Demon
BOThater36 [4d\]: Once I started playing bots, I only need 20 min'
JONstewart [2d\]: but longer pro games get significantly better
Demon [2d\]: <3
York [9d?\]: for anyone who have difficulties on the variation at upper right, i suggest jotting it down and make it a reading exercise for yourselves
JONstewart [2d\]: it's actually a classic life and death shape!
otlichna [7k\]: is there a live commentary for this game?
Demon [2d\]: don't listen to any high dans, especially questionable high dans.  they're all evil  <.<
dragonslay [-\]: I suggest York gets a real rank :D
gloomy [3d\]: its amateur 
PinotNoir [1d\]: T16 is nice move
RedDeath13 [3k\]: I've played enough to know most dan players are evil haha
]
;B[ks]C[dragonslay [-\]: All* 
Demon [2d\]: i'm not evil... despite my name  :(
RedDeath13 [3k\]: haha.
dragonslay [-\]: But pro's are amazing
JONstewart [2d\]: I kid you not, I get a daily tsumego subscription, and the shape in the upper right was the problem of the day two or three days ago
]
;W[ms]
;B[mq]C[RedDeath13 [3k\]: Demon, you go by demon. Besides, evil is just another word for fun.
]
;W[bc]C[RedDeath13 [3k\]: :)
JONstewart [2d\]: crazy, like when learning a new thing, it always comes up...
]
;B[os]C[otlichna [7k\]: is there a live commentary for this game?
]
;W[sr]
;B[bb]C[Demon [2d\]: yes, top right shape is a very common L&D shape, seen quite often.
flobby [-\]: if jon stewart played go maybe it would become popular
Beauford [3k\]: how does top right shape usually arise?
peakoil [1d\]: w didn't have to n1. 
dragonslay [-\]: Resign soon?
]
;W[qk]C[JONstewart [2d\]: started studying now that retired
flobby [-\]: did anyone count?
]
;B[sg]
;W[bc]C[JONstewart [2d\]: i did about 20 moves ago, thought 6, 
]
;B[sq]C[JONstewart [2d\]: but who knows with this ko!
dragonslay [-\]: S13 was better
]
;W[sp]
;B[bb]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: same
JONstewart [2d\]: black has sooo many ko threats....
flobby [-\]: s13 1 less ko threat?
Demon [2d\]: s13 was similar.  i think t13 takes away a threat from top right playing out
PinotNoir [1d\]: if S13 w has threat at T12
]
;W[lq]
;B[kr]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: oh
PinotNoir [1d\]: 1 less threat
PinotNoir [1d\]: this might be decisive
]
;W[bc]C[Beauford [3k\]: wait what? T13? Surely T12 to prevent T14 ko threat?
]
;B[ss]C[JONstewart [2d\]: I think black has the lead anyway, no?
]
;W[sq]
;B[bb]C[gloomy [3d\]: endless ko!
flobby [-\]: i see demon's point although i can't see the actual moves
otlichna [7k\]: is there a live commentary for this game? have checked aga youtube channel but don't see one
PinotNoir [1d\]: hmm, S13 better move
flobby [-\]: i don't think there is ottichna
]
;W[dl]
;B[el]
;W[bc]C[otlichna [7k\]: ok thx
flobby [-\]: there was a kgs demo with a pro commentary but its finished
]
;B[oa]C[JONstewart [2d\]: they both are the same number or threats, i think
]
;W[na]
;B[bb]C[gloomy [3d\]: undo?\\
PinotNoir [1d\]: omg
PinotNoir [1d\]: w might be winning now
]
;W[ca]
;B[cr]C[flobby [-\]: eh c2!
gloomy [3d\]: uh why w gave up on the ko , he has more threats
PinotNoir [1d\]: b wanna win ko at A19
]
;W[ep]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: C2 to create some threats
flobby [-\]: if you want to win the ko at a19 shouldn't you play a19 first
dragonslay [-\]: Time pressure
flobby [-\]: b has like 30+ minutes left
PinotNoir [1d\]: oops
]
;B[bq]C[JONstewart [2d\]: uh. b3, b2, causes 
JONstewart [2d\]: major endgame reduction
PinotNoir [1d\]: who misread here
flobby [-\]: oh is it
dragonslay [-\]: This lost way more points then KO!
JONstewart [2d\]: white will have to play many extra moves.
]
;W[cp]C[flobby [-\]: semedori?
]
;B[br]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: w look like crazy
gloomy [3d\]: e4 is bad
JONstewart [2d\]: white wins the race but will have to fill.
PinotNoir [1d\]: need to fill 5 pts here
flobby [-\]: I'd never think of doing this in a game =/
Demon [2d\]: not 5
]
;W[bp]
;B[hs]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: now b sure to win
]
;W[gs]
;B[is]
;W[aq]C[flobby [-\]: i guess w resign
JONstewart [2d\]: *that sinking feeling
]
;B[aa]C[peakoil [1d\]: w used to playing amateurs. Said, "that's not a ko threat" to himself.
]
;W[fp]C[York [9d?\]: i don't think someone is resigning at this stage.....
]
;B[gp]
;W[ab]
;B[dd]C[flobby [-\]: p4
PinotNoir [1d\]: b win now
xgw10 [2k\]: ko is the game?
flobby [-\]: nah b win
]
;W[ee]
;B[aa]C[JONstewart [2d\]: ko for bragging rights
dragonslay [-\]: A9
]
;W[ak]
;B[eo]C[gloomy [3d\]: u have nothing to brag about if u lose the game 
dragonslay [-\]: Take ko
JONstewart [2d\]: winning a ko against a pro! 
]
;W[do]
;B[op]C[dragonslay [-\]: Endgame -,-
PinotNoir [1d\]: poor w
]
;W[oq]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: almost won
]
;B[ab]C[JONstewart [2d\]: tomorrow I get to play a pro, in person! ready to be crushed
dragonslay [-\]: Should have.
]
;W[po]C[gloomy [3d\]: who is the pro dude??
]
;B[ri]C[flobby [-\]: tong yulin
MilanMilan [9d\]: 4p
gloomy [3d\]: asking JON!
]
;W[gc]C[JONstewart [2d\]: i dunno, It is for a chinese cultural festival and it is a female pro from china who is traveling with some busness men
]
;B[kh]C[PinotNoir [1d\]: w need one more move at A1 later
PinotNoir [1d\]: A2
JONstewart [2d\]: and our go club is hosting
xgw10 [2k\]: black once beat Lee sedo in Chinese A league play
]
;W[ar]
;B[jq]
;W[pk]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: B+3.5?
PinotNoir [1d\]: SE say 4.5
dragonslay [-\]: I thought 4.5
flobby [-\]: milan > SE
MilanMilan [9d\]: komi=7.5 or 6.5?
peakoil [1d\]: 7.5
USGO2 [-\]: they are counting now
slang [4k\]: SE can't handle aga rule
dragonslay [-\]: 7.5
JONstewart [2d\]: AGA rules, passing prisoner and 7.5 kmi
gloomy [3d\]: IT WAS A VERY VERY LONG YOSE
MilanMilan [9d\]: T18... looks werid
gloomy [3d\]: Oops
JONstewart [2d\]: yeah, almost no middle game! 
flobby [-\]: if w lived in corner
flobby [-\]: would w have won?
flobby [-\]: or would b have gotten compensation elsewhere?
CrabStone [1d\]: Of course
Dalan [2d\]: if w tried to reduce the corner instead of living
MilanMilan [9d\]: a ko?
York [9d?\]: how werid people choose believing SE over Milan
Dalan [2d\]: perhaps?
JONstewart [2d\]: well, how would that have happened without something else having happened
flobby [-\]: exactly my point jon
MilanMilan [9d\]: I am always wrong
NYNY [2d\]: b + 4.5
JONstewart [2d\]: but, that is unknowable
dragonslay [-\]: I counted didn't use score estimate
gloomy [3d\]: so whats the final score
peakoil [1d\]: if b lived in the lower right he would have won by more yes?
USGO2 [-\]: Blck wins
JONstewart [2d\]: it's like asking, what if white's third move had been different?
gloomy [3d\]: by how much?
dragonslay [-\]: By how much?
JONstewart [2d\]: haha. 
flobby [-\]: not really because w made a mistake there JON
]
;B[]
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shoot [1k\]: so much...
sweety [-\]: thank you USGO2
JONstewart [2d\]: no, but it's like asking to see an slternate universe!
USGO2 [-\]: B wins by 5.5
USGO2 [-\]: Thank you everyne for watching
shoot [1k\]: ok
flobby [-\]: thanks usgo
JONstewart [2d\]: Thanks
MilanMilan [9d\]: 5.5?
peakoil [1d\]: thank you!
PinotNoir [1d\]: cool, pro is so strong
shoot [1k\]: tyUSGO2
MilanMilan [9d\]: a  big win
dragonslay [-\]: Forgot passing stone rule
USGO2 [-\]: This is USGO2 signing offf from St Paul
dragonslay [-\]: Thank you usago!
NYNY [2d\]: Chen will be the champs
gloomy [3d\]: wow , i m again amazed by my own counting feelings...
flobby [-\]: you said 6.5 gloomy
gloomy [3d\]: yeah , 150 moves ago
York [9d?\]: hard fact: even 6d(irl) don't count very accurate
gloomy [3d\]: not even counted 
dragonslay [-\]: York that is false
flobby [-\]: maybe york is talking about himself
dragonslay [-\]: Don't compare real 6 Dan to KGS dan
York [9d?\]: indeed i know a few personally
dragonslay [-\]: Tell a Korean 6 Dan they don't count accurate heh or a Chinese heh
flobby [-\]: real AGA 6d is like
flobby [-\]: kgs 5-7d i think
dragonslay [-\]: No its 4 dan
dragonslay [-\]: Two stones weaker
dragonslay [-\]: And that depends on the player
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